Should we MAKE likeness, copy, image of any thing that is in HEAVEN OR EARTH?

EGW: "During the night I was sorely distressed. A great burden rested upon me. I had been pleading with God to work in behalf of his people. My attention was called to the money which they had invested in photographs. I was taken from house to house, through the homes of our people, and as I went from room to room, my Instructor said, "Behold the idols which have accumulated!" Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, September 10, 1901, Paragraph 1. Article Title: "No Other Gods Before Me."

EGW: "This making and exchanging of photographs is a species of Idolatry. Satan is doing all he can to eclipse heaven from our view. Let us not help him by making picture-idols. We need to reach a higher standard than these human faces suggest. The Lord says, "Thou shall have no other Gods before me."" Messages to Young People, page 316, paragraph 3, Chapter Title: "Self Gratification. A Species of Idolatry."

EGW: "As I visit the homes of our people and our schools, I see that all the available space on tables, what-nots, and mantlepieces is filled up with photographs. On the right hand and on the left are seen the pictures of human faces. God desires this order of things to be changed. Were Christ on earth, He would say, "Take these things hence." I have been instructed that these pictures are so many idols, taking up the time and thought which should sacredly devoted to God." Messages to Young People, page 316, paragraph 1. Chapter Title: "Self Gratification."

EGW: We acknowledge our error. We deeply regret that we ever consented to sit for our pictures.  For years I would not consent to have our pictures taken, although solicited to do so.  How many times I have wished we had remained steadfast.  But all we can do now is to confess our wrong and ask God to forgive us, and entreat the forgiveness of our brethren and sisters."Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, March 26, 1867, paragraph 2. Article Title: "An Acknowledgment."

The definition of Heaven
The Definition of Heaven by Sister White—Christ is the truth of all that we find in the Father. The definition of heaven is the presence of Christ (Manuscript 184, 1897). SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7 (EGW), p. 989.9 (Ellen G. White)

I want to desire my Jesus to be filled (possessed) by truth (Christ's Spirit=law of God) as much as HE wants to possess me.

"You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully" Deuteronomy 4:15.


"And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven. 20 But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day" Deuteronomy 4:19-20 (KJV).

If we believe the word of God He said make nothing under Heaven for WHAT IS IN HEAVEN REMAINS IN HEAVEN...

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Exodus

Where is the remains in heaven verse?

Not making of any likeness anything
No this is not a verse this is to explain lots of things said about this matter
He even told them not to make likeness of anything (likeness of man or animals or anything
Wait so i can bring you the verse

The definition of Heaven
The Definition of Heaven by Sister White—Christ is the truth of all that we find in the Father. The definition of heaven is the presence of Christ (Manuscript 184, 1897). SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7 (EGW), p. 989.9 (Ellen G. White)

Amen

praise the Lord


Deuteronomy 4:16
so that you do not act corruptly and make a graven image for yourselves in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

Deuteronomy 27:15
Cursed is the man who makes an idol or a molten image, an abomination to the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and sets it up in secret.' And all the people shall answer and say, 'Amen.


i have a question
when you take a very beautiful selfie
don't you tend to see it beautiful and say in your heart how beautiful it is? and keep saying many times?
but in our heart we must die to life and live only for Him who died for us, we are not to have any selfie and any thing that separate us or others from Him
how can i be light to the catholic neighbor if i do have any image? if i go preach them thou shalt not have images nor bow to them what am i doing? 
won't they tell me look at yourself remove your images before you come and preach for us?

Ezekiel 9King James Version (KJV)

He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.

10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

quote:

"She spent many pleasant hours paging through the autograph album given her during the farewell service at Cooranbong. So did the Willie White family on the deck below, as day by day they read a few pages. These albums, gold embossed and bound in bright, royal-blue velvet with gold-edged leaves, still convey nostalgia and warmth; one cannot read them without feeling drawn to those for whom they were so lovingly and carefully prepared. There was a section for every day of the voyage, and each section was introduced by an exquisite little watercolor painting, the Moana itself often appearing in the picture. 
The brown-toned photographs help to tell the story of the work in Australia. There is the electro-hydropathic institute in Adelaide. There are pictures of neat little churches Ellen White had visited and in which she had made investments to help the companies of believers who needed meetinghouses. There are portraits of friends, and scenes from her Sunnyside home. One page was reserved for pictures of their watchdog, Tiglath-Pileser, at Sunnyside. [...] 
On shipboard she was to write a letter about the album, addressing it 'Dear Friends All, in Cooranbong': 
I thank you with much pleasure as I look into my memorial. It is a beautiful reminder of my friends, and it came so unexpectedly to us. I appreciate it more than anything my friends could give me. It is so beautifully gotten up, and it has so great a variety and expresses so much skill and taste and beauty. . . . I thank you all who have so freely bound up your heart with my heart.--Letter 190, 1900." (Ellen G. White: The Early Elmshaven Years Volume 5 1900-1905, pages 18-20.)




And EGW wrote: 

"This making and exchanging photographs is a species of idolatry. Satan is doing all he can to eclipse heaven from our view. Let us not help him by making picture-idols. [...] 
After going from home to home, and seeing the many photographs, I was instructed to warn our people against this evil. This much we can do for God. We can put these picture-idols out of sight. They have no power for good, but interpose between God and the soul." (Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 09-10-1901, paragraphs 4, 12.) 

"Cleanse your homes of the picture-idols which have consumed the money that ought to have flowed into the Lord's treasury." (Notebook Leaflets from the Elmshaven Library Vol. 1, page 34, paragraph 6.) 

But she wrote in 1886: 

"It is a difficult matter for men and women to draw the line in the matter of picture-making. Some have made a raid against pictures, daguerreo-types, and pictures of every kind. Everything must be burned up, they say, urging that the making of all pictures is prohibited by the second commandment; that they are an idol. [...] 
Have those who have burned up all their pictures of friends and any kind of pictures they happened to have, come up to a higher state of consecration for this act, and do they seem in words, in deportment, and in soul, to be ennobled, elevated, more heavenly-minded?" (Selected Messages, Book 3, pages 330-331.) 

"Picture-idols" according to Ellen G. White

By Robert K. Sanders

 

GET RID OF THE "IDOLS"

Ellen G. White (EGW) was taken through the homes of people with photographs, room by room while in vision and called the photos she saw "idols". She claimed that these pictures were evil; and by having them the people are helping Satan. Ellen must have helped Satan a great deal as she had a many pictures of herself.

Do you have picture idols in your home?

EGW: "During the night I was sorely distressed. A great burden rested upon me. I had been pleading with God to work in behalf of his people.  My attention was called to the money which they had invested in photographs. I was taken from house to house, through the homes of our people, and as I went from room to room, my Instructor said, "Behold the idols which have accumulated!" Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, September 10, 1901, Paragraph 1. Article Title: "No Other Gods Before Me."

Note: I wondered if EGW shut her eyes when she went wandering from room to room in the privacy of people's bedrooms and bathrooms. Just a thought!

EGW: "This making and exchanging of photographs is a species of Idolatry.  Satan is doing all he can to eclipse heaven from our view.  Let us not help him by making picture-idols.  We need to reach a higher standard than these human faces suggest.  The Lord says, "Thou shall have no other Gods before me."" Messages to Young People, page 316, paragraph 3, Chapter Title: "Self Gratification. A Species of Idolatry."

EGW: "After going from home to home, and seeing the many photographs, I was instructed to warn our people against this evil. This much we can do for God. We can put these picture-idols out of sight. They have no power for good, but interpose between God and the soul." Messages to Young People, page 318, paragraphs 2 and 3. Chapter Title: "Self Gratification."

EGW: "Every true child of God will be sifted as wheat, and in the sifting process every cherished pleasure which diverts the mind from God must be sacrificed.  In many families the mantel-shelves, stands, and tables are filled with ornaments and pictures.  Albums, filled with photographs of the family and the photographs of their friends, are placed where they will attract the attention of visitors. ....Is this not a species of idolatry?" Bible Echo and Signs of the Times, January 14, 1901, paragraph 1. Article Title: "No Other Gods Before Me."

EGW: "As I visit the homes of our people and our schools, I see that all the available space on tables, what-nots, and mantlepieces is filled up with photographs. On the right hand and on the left are seen the pictures of human faces.  God desires this order of things to be changed.  Were Christ on earth, He would say, "Take these things hence." I have been instructed that these pictures are so many idols, taking up the time and thought which should sacredly devoted to God." Messages to Young People, page 316, paragraph 1. Chapter Title: "Self Gratification."

EGW: "We have for years been waging war with spiritual idolatry. ..... I am pained to see the photographs multiplied and hanging everywhere." The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, page 887, paragraph 3. Chapter Title: "Diary entries."

All along Mother Ellen was having pictures of her and family taken right and left. She loved Idols too! See below.

EGW: "I do not think I shall ever get a picture to equal the one Dunham has made for me. He says I had better have the large one put on a small card. What do you think of this plan?" Letter 17, 1876, p. 2 (To James White, April 30, 1876).

EGW: "Dunham gave me one dozen of these pictures of yours.  Shall I send them to you? What do you think of them?  I told him I did not like them.  They did not look natural, but you can use them.  If so let me know." Letter 21, 1876, p. 2 (To James White, May 5, 1876).

Now Mother Ellen gets caught with a lot of pictures and makes a public apology:

EGW: We acknowledge our error. We deeply regret that we ever consented to sit for our pictures.  For years I would not consent to have our pictures taken, although solicited to do so.  How many times I have wished we had remained steadfast.  But all we can do now is to confess our wrong and ask God to forgive us, and entreat the forgiveness of our brethren and sisters." Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, March 26, 1867, paragraph 2. Article Title: "An Acknowledgment."

NoteYou should notice that she was caught and repented  March 26, 1867, but from the above quotes she was still going strong at making Idols in 1876. 

Now for the really good ones:

EGW: "In place of the true test of loyalty, the Church members had manufactured tests of their own on dress and photographic pictures. Interpreting the second commandment to apply even to photographs. Some had burned pictures of their friends"

EGW: "Thus a spirit of criticism, fault-finding, and dissension had come in, which had been a great injury to the church.  And the impression was given to unbelievers that Sabbath-keeping Adventists were a set of fanatics and extremists, and that their peculiar faith rendered them unkind, uncourteous, and really unchristian in character."  Historical Sketches, p. 211, "Ellen G. White in Europe 1885-1887", page119, paragraph 2. "Problems in the Christiania Church."

Notice that she blames the members of the church for interpreting the 2nd commandment to apply to pictures when she herself had taught it for years, even saying Christ would say, "Take these things hence", and that an Angel had told her in vision that these photographs were Idols.  She was a hypocrite to the last.  Ellen G. White had been teaching the people this stuff, therefore SHE was the cause of the "Fault Finding, Criticism and dissension in the Adventist Church then and there and also TODAY!  Don't you see the same thing going on, especially among those who worship Ellen G. White.

EGW: "If you have your father's pictures, please bring them.  I want to show them.  My pocket album I left at Healdsburg." Letter 15, 1882, p. 1. (To W. C. White, May 23, 1882).

EGW: "Lathrop is as pleased a man as you ever saw with the pictures, especially of you.  He says that she will sell you the negative for five hundred dollars.  Beside what we take, it will bring him that much custom.  He thinks Ingleson's a flat affair.  He [Lathrop] has your picture in the window for show."Letter 1a, 1876, p.1. (To James White, March 24, 1876).

 What was on that picture that made it worth $500 to a woman trying to sell it? $500 for one negative! That equals 1000 days wages for the average man in those days! Is this wasting the "Lord's money?" 

EGW declared pictures of herself and other people were idols. Every time you see a picture of Ellen G. White, you are looking at the Seventh-day Adventist "idol". All EGW believers should immediately contact the Adventist church to get the pictures of their "idol" removed from all books and church papers. This should include the pictures of church leaders as well.

We know that photos of our families and friends are not idols and nowhere in the Bible does it tell us this. Ellen was wrong in interpreting the second commandment. I do not know of any Christian that bow down and worships photos of family members or friends.

Exo 20:4, 5 (NIV) "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them;" It is however possible for people to idolize and worship people, such as movie and sports stars. But this is not what Ellen was talking about. She was talking about her pictures and pictures in people's homes of family members. 

Now in February 1912 the Photo Hypocrite EGW, leaves her photographs (picture idols) in her will to her two sons.   

EGW: NINTH: My household furniture, dishes, carpets, pictures, photographs, and clothing, I give and bequeath in equal parts to by sons, James Edson White and William C. White.

 

Ellen G. White's Nose Job

I am indebted to Mr. Keith Moxon, editor of Sign Post, Brooklana Bo Bo Valley, Via Ulong N. S. W. 2450, Australia, for the pictures and following article "YET ANOTHER COVER UP." Mr. Moxon was the first to publish Pastor Colcord's statement, which he had received from the Mote collection.  

NOSE JOB: YET ANOTHER COVER-UP 

The two portraits of Mrs. White on the left are taken from F. C. Gilbert's book, Divine Predictions Fulfilled. The picture to the left is of first of Mrs. White as a young woman, and appears as the front piece to Gilbert's book. The picture in the middle is of the elderly Mrs. White when resident in Australia—both these pictures tell an untruth about Mrs. White's face. In all cases they show a Mrs. White whose nose has been retouched by an artist, giving her a normal appearance that she did not possess. Pastor W. A. Colcord, Secretary of the SDA General Conference around 1891, vigorously protested at the publishing of these pictures, and in letters to Pastor E. S. Ballenger said that Mrs. White had a pug nose with the bridge broken down almost even with the face. In a further Feb. 29, 1928 letter to Ballenger, Colcord wrote:

"I am glad to see you getting after W. C. White and sheeting some things home to him. No doubt he was the one who had his mother's picture doctored up to represent her having a beautiful long, straight nose—the one used as front piece to Gilberts' book, Divine Predictions Fulfilled. That book starts out with a misrepresentation regarding Mrs. White—a misrepresentation which covers up the deformity caused by an all but fatal blow in childhood which later brought on her epilepsy and fits mistaken for visions. And the preface to that book credits W. C. White with having assisted greatly in its production. For many years he has figured in these misrepresentations and defenses of his mother."

      The deformity of her face is clearly admitted by Mrs. White herself in autobiographical remarks printed in Gilbert's book on page 45. EGW says that after she had somewhat recovered from the blow that broke her nose: "I was forced to learn the bitter lesson that our personal appearance often makes a difference in the treatment we receive from our companions." This was many months after she had received her injury. 

The group picture to the right shows Mrs. 'White in her 'reform dress,' said by her to have been seen in one of her visions. This picture is an enlargement from a much larger group, and un-retouched. There is no nose bridge between EGW's eyes, such as can be seen on other faces. Pugness of the nose is obvious. 

EGW: "These PHOTOGRAPHS cost money. It is inconsistent for us, knowing the work that is to be done at this time, TO SPEND GOD'S MONEY IN PRODUCING PICTURES OF OUR OWN FACES and the faces of friends?..." Messages to Young People, page 316, paragraph 2  "Many SPEND CONSIDERABLE MONEY FOR PHOTOGRAPHS to give their friends" Counsels on Stewardship, page 295, paragraph 1.

 

EGW WARNED SDAS NOT TO HAVE PHOTO ALBUMS TO SHOW VISITORS IN THEIR HOME

Selected Messages Book 2, page 317, paragraph 1 and  in 1901 Adventist Review and Sabbath Herald, November 26, 1901, paragraph 11 GOD Himself told EGW to warn SDAs against the evils of spending money on photographs, but just before EGW left Australia:

"TWO autograph ALBUMS had been prepared, ONE FOR ELLEN WHITE and one for the W. C. White family. Both were beautifully bound, and EACH CONTAINED original drawings, PHOTOGRAPHS, and messages from the churches and from individuals expressing appreciation, friendship, and love..." Ellen G. White: The Australian Years, Volume 4, 1891-1900, page 458, paragraph 5.

"The brown-toned PHOTOGRAPHS help to tell the story of the work in Australia...There are PICTURES of neat little churches Ellen G. White had visited...THERE ARE PORTRAITS  OF FRIENDS, and scenes from her Sunnyside home. One page was reserved for PICTURES OF THEIR WATCHDOG, Tiglath-Pileser, at Sunnyside..." Ellen G. White: The Early Elmshaven Years, Volume 5, 1900-1905, page 19, paragraph 1.

Yet in the 1901 Adventist Review Ellen G. White  said God had told her to warn against the evils of spending money on PHOTOGRAPHS. Even though SDAs in Norway were following her advice and actually burning and destroying their own photographs, there is no evidence that EGW ever destroyed one of hers. Obviously she didn't follow the advice God gave her, because photographs and photo albums of herself, her husband, children, family and friends are still on display at "Elmshaven " and in the millions of books distributed around the world. 

 If showing photo album photos of friends to visitors is a sin, then the photos Adventistsshow to thousands of visitors to Elmshaven every year should be destroyed. They need to get rid of these "PICTURE IDOLS".

 Also the Ellen G. White Estate Website shows "PICTURE IDOLSof EGW and family, early church leaders and workers. They proudly announce a database of 1200 of these photos.

 It is obvious that the White Estate and Elmshaven does not take EGW's admonitions from God as inspired, but they want us to be a believer in her nonsense as well as the SDA publishing houses that pedal books and magazines with "PICTURE IDOLS".

 What can you do to help as a loyal believer in EGW? Write the EGW Estate and tell them to destroy all the "PICTURE IDOLS" in their files. Write to SDA Publishing Houses and have them destroy all books and magazines that have "PICTURE IDOLS" in them. 

 You will also need to destroy all your family albums and wall pictures as they too are "PICTURE IDOLS". If you do not do this then you are an idolater.


The Great Controversy 1911, p. 680, apendix page 54:

CHAPTER 42

The Controversy Ended

PAGE 52. IMAGE WORSHIP.--"THE WORSHIP OF IMAGES . . . WAS ONE OF THOSE CORRUPTIONS OF CHRISTIANITY WHICH CREPT INTO THE CHURCH STEALTHILY AND ALMOST WITHOUT NOTICE OR OBSERVATION. THIS CORRUPTION DID NOT, LIKE OTHER HERESIES, DEVELOP ITSELF AT ONCE, FOR IN THAT CASE IT WOULD HAVE MET WITH DECIDED CENSURE AND REBUKE: BUT, MAKING ITS COMMENCEMENT UNDER A FAIR DISGUISE, SO GRADUALLY WAS ONE PRACTICE AFTER ANOTHER INTRODUCED IN CONNECTION WITH IT, THAT THE CHURCH HAD BECOME DEEPLY STEEPED IN PRACTICAL IDOLATRY, NOT ONLY WITHOUT ANY EFFICIENT OPPOSITION, BUT ALMOST WITHOUT ANY DECIDED REMONSTRANCE; AND WHEN AT LENGTH AN ENDEAVOR WAS MADE TO ROOT IT OUT, THE EVIL WAS FOUND TOO DEEPLY FIXED TO ADMIT OF REMOVAL. . . . IT MUST BE TRACED TO THE IDOLATROUS TENDENCY OF THE HUMAN HEART, AND ITS PROPENSITY TO SERVE THE CREATURE MORE THAN THE CREATOR. . . .

"IMAGES AND PICTURES WERE FIRST INTRODUCED INTO CHURCHES, NOT TO BE WORSHIPED, BUT EITHER IN THE PLACE OF BOOKS TO GIVE INSTRUCTION TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT READ, OR TO EXCITE DEVOTION IN THE MINDS OF OTHERS. HOW FAR THEY EVER ANSWERED SUCH A PURPOSE IS DOUBTFUL; BUT, EVEN GRANTING THAT THIS WAS THE CASE FOR A TIME, IT SOON CEASED TO BE SO, AND IT WAS FOUND THAT PICTURES AND IMAGES BROUGHT INTO CHURCHES DARKENED RATHER THAN ENLIGHTENED THE MINDS OF THE IGNORANT--DEGRADED RATHER THAN EXALTED THE DEVOTION OF THE WORSHIPER. SO THAT, HOWEVER THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTENDED TO DIRECT MEN'S MINDS TO GOD, THEY ENDED IN TURNING THEM FROM HIM TO THE WORSHIP OF CREATED THINGS."--J. MENDHAM, THE SEVENTH GENERAL COUNCIL, THE SECOND OF NICAEA, INTRODUCTION, PAGES III-VI.

FOR A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND DECISIONS OF THE SECOND COUNCIL OF NICAEA, A.D. 787, CALLED TO ESTABLISH THE WORSHIP OF IMAGES, SEE BARONIUS, ECCLESIASTICAL ANNALS, VOL. 9, PP. 391-407 (ANTWERP, 1612); J. MENDHAM, THE SEVENTH GENERAL COUNCIL, THE SECOND OF NICAEA; ED. STILLINGFLEET, DEFENSE OF THE DISCOURSE CONCERNING THE IDOLATRY PRACTICED IN THE CHURCH OF ROME (LONDON, 1686); A SELECT LIBRARY OF NICENE AND POST-NICENE FATHERS, 2D SERIES, VOL. 14, PP. 521-587 (NEW YORK, 1900); CHARLES J. HEFELE, A HISTORY OF THE COUNCILS OF THE CHURCH, FROM THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, B. 18, CH. 1, SECS. 332, 333; CH. 2, SECS. 345-352 (T. AND T. CLARK ED., 1896), VOL. 5, PP. 260-304, 342-372. http://www.whiteestate.org/books/gc/gc42.html

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